I would like to thank the economy and the residents of Fremont for this blessing. I didn't think that a housing and credit crisis was really going to be a boon for anyone or anything, and thankfully, A's owner Lew Wolff was no exception. Due to the fledgling economy he would not have been able to fund stadium construction from the monies generated by surrounding housing and retail development as originally planned. This effectively killed Wolff's main selling point- that the city would not have to drop a dime for stadium construction.
That aside, having a major sports franchise makes your city a destination. Even if Fremont residents had to take a bit of a hit, the A's presence would have prompted some amazing development opportunities. So thank you Fremont residents for being more worried about traffic than a major league baseball franchise. I will forever be grateful.
The caving of the Fremont plans do not put us in the clear though. Knowing Lew Wolff, he would rather try to find another south bay city (San José) to move to than actually embrace Oakland. Since he bought the A's it has been clear that he wants nothing to do with The Town, so the fight continues. I know it's easy to be hopeless and boycott the A's over this whole situation, but we must remember that the A's ownership is the enemy, not the A's.
I also hate Al Davis, but being an A's and Raider fan is deeper than whatever big cheese is sitting in the owner's box. WE, the fans, need to establish our ownership. We own the stories, the memories, the ticket stubs, the pictures, the autographs and hopefully the future of the franchise. We are the A's and Raiders. I know its easy to think that supporting the A's means supporting Wolff, but it actually would work against him. By boycotting the A's we are supporting his assertion that Oakland can't support a major league baseball team, thus giving credence to his desire to move elsewhere. The A's are Oakland's team. And I will never cede my stake of ownership in the A's to a carpetbagging LA opportunist.
Oakland has been a great place for the A's, and the Coliseum has been a great home. Many of you may not remember, but before the monstrosity known as Mount Davis was constructed upon the Raiders return, the Coliseum was a beautiful place to watch baseball. It wasn't one of these pseudo-charming, luxury suite micro-parks that are so popular now, it was way better. This whole nostalgic downtown ballpark movement is cute, but attempts to recreate something that never actually existed. The Oakland Coliseum was a real stadium, complete with metal bench bleachers in the outfield, garish orange seats elsewhere, ice plant and Eucalyptus trees under the center field scoreboard, an amazing view of the Oakland Hills, and Oakland's signature expanse of foul territory. It was funky but beautiful. As my Grandpa says, "It was like going to a high school game." My mom adds that there was a sense of community at the games, particularly amongst the infamous "Bleacher Bums."
I remember many afternoons sitting in the sunny left-field bleachers chatting to Oakland Tech grad and Hall of Famer Rickey Henderson during pitching changes. I was even there on May 1, 1991 with my dad and grandpa the day he tied and broke the all-time stolen base record. The A's have always brought the generations of my family together.
My grandparents used to own a cafeteria on Havenscourt between Bancroft and Foothill, and on big game days, such as the three straight World Series Championships we won in '72, '73, '74, my mom and her brothers and sisters would be out in the street selling sandwiches to folks heading to the game. My grandparents were actually at the Coliseum the first night the A's ever played in Oakland in 1968. My grandpa recalls "They handed out candles to everyone in attendance and turned out the stadium lights to signal the birth of something new in Oakland."
And though the A's were new to Oakland at that time, organized baseball was not. Alexander Cartwright, the man who invented baseball as we know it in 1845, headed west during the Gold Rush like so many others. He brought his game with him. Then in 1866 Oakland's first organized team, the Live Oaks (later to become the Wide Awakes and Grand Centrals) were founded.
This was just the beginning, but many teams have since called Oakland home. The infamous Pacific Coast League, the west coast forerunner to the MLB, had one of it's most successful franchises in the Oakland Oaks. My dad fondly recalls his father taking him to Oak's games back in the 1950s. Oakland even had a Negro League team for a short while. The Oakland Larks, as they were called, was home to a man that would later become the first Black Mayor of Oakland. The southpaw pitcher was known as Lionel "Lefty" Wilson.
I know a lot of this because I love local history, but also because my father is writing a book on sports in Oakland. Thus far his research has yielded about 50 major league baseball players who have emerged from our small city, including legends like Frank Robinson, Vada Pinson, Rickey Henderson, Curt Flood, Cookie Lavogetto, Joe Morgan and now Jimmie Rollins. So as you can see, Oakland has always been a baseball city.
The A's however, have been here longer than any other club, and made Oakland a major league city. With the Raiders they helped define Oakland's gritty underdog mentality. The Raiders have always been viewed as an angry bunch of hard hitters. In the 70s their defensive backfield, known collectively as the Soul Patrol, was comprised of "The Hitman" George Atkinson, "The Assasin" Jack Tatum, "Dr. Death" Skip Thomas and "Old Man" Willie Brown. Al Davis' willingness to embrace controversial players other teams wrote off, made Oakland home to many a character. Raiders fans appreciated it, and today are really the only remnant of that savage motor-cycle gang mentality known as the "Raider Mystique."
The A's were no angels themselves. The "Fighting A's," as they were known, were so-called as much for fighting each other as they were for beating the crap out of opponents. They also became known as the "Moustache Gang" after an incentive by Owner Charlie Finley led to the whole team donning facial hair. Charlie O, being the minor league-ish showman he was, also had the A's don solid yellow and solid green jerseys and white cleats, at a time when other teams only wore grey and white uniforms and black cleats. The A's remain the only team to wear only white cleats.
Exerpt from HBO doc Rebels of Oakland: The A's, The Raiders, The 70s
This looseness was something mirrored by the Raiders and still evident in today's A's, most visibly in Jason Giambi's revival of a frat-like clubhouse atmosphere. The A's also thrived in the 80s during Billy Martin's tenure as manager. While Oakland was mired in drug hustling and murderous crack wars, the A's also lived by the hustle. The name of their game was "Billy Ball" in which running, stealing, sacrificing and manufacturing runs was the name of the game. This led to the ascent of local product and resident "man of steal" Rickey Henderson.The point is that these are characteristics that have defined Oakland and the greater East Bay for generations. Oakland has always been known as a city of hustle and swagger; An outlandish, dangerous and weird locale that is somehow just cooler than everywhere else. The A's and Raiders are a big reason why.
This also brings up another interesting aspect of hated Lew Wolff's itching to move elsewhere. Shitty owners are not new to Oakland. Al Davis, though once a great football mind, has held the Raiders hostage in recent years, and disrespected Oakland by leaving and then crash landing back. The aforementioned A's owner Charlie Finley, arrived in Oakland only after leaving Kansas City (after promising them not to move). He then preceded to refuse to pay his players market value despite the fact that they won three straight World Series titles. And of course the Indiana based owner tried to move the A's to Denver, New Orleans and Chicago before being forced to sell to local buyers.
A's derilect and absentee owner Charlie Finley (center in green blazer)
During the Finley years, despite the great teams Oakland had, the A's weren't able to draw big crowds. This would lead many to believe that Oakland's recent attendance woes are not new, and therefore prove that Oakland cannot support a baseball team. These critics would be wrong however. Oakland cannot draw crowds only when the fans know that the owners are trying to move elsewhere and not willing to compensate and keep their best players. Charlie O did this and now the current ownership is doing the same.
The '74 A's make a cameo on The Simpsons en route to leaving town following their 3rd consecutive World Series. Homer called them the greatest team ever in Episode 20 of Season 17
Proof of this statement is further provided by the beloved Haas family's tenure as A's owners from 1981 to 1995. The Haas family was local and dedicated to restoring relevance and respect to A's baseball. They rebuilt the farm system, brought up some great players and more importantly, embraced and invested in Oakland. Whereas attendance during the Finley era (1968-1980) averaged 770,000 per season, the Haas family attracted over 1.9 million fans per season. Oakland is not the problem, we just don't respond well to being spurned and disrespected. All the moving talk doesn't exactly boost morale, and trading every good young player that Oakland nurtures doesn't help either.
Some of the 1970s Mustache Gang that found themselves shipped off by Charlie O
At the end of the day, Oakland has had a roller coaster of a ride with the A's. We have basked in glory, brooded at the bottom, and most often, passionately fought for our dignity. We are not the Yankees (thanks God!), we are a small market club. But as recent years had proven, under the second reign of "Billy (Beane) Ball," watching young players make names for themselves and welcoming under appreciated veterans can be fun and rewarding. It fuels Oakland's underdog mentality to demand and take respect from big market clubs and cities who doubt our prowess. It sucks that our teams are dismantled every few years, but its fun to give birth to baseball's future stars.
Multi-generational homegrown stars Mark McGwire & Reggie Jackson
My grandpa, in his 80s now, still loves to come watch the new guys come up. And though the World Series teams of the early 1970s and late 1980s definitely rank as some of his favorite A's moments, he has loved taking his 8 kids and 17 grandchildren to games over the years regardless of how many wins they chalk up. That's because the Coliseum is more than just a place to watch a baseball game, it is a place where people come together and built relationships and memories.
My uncle Daniel for instance, became a die-hard fan when the A's were at their worst in the late 1970s. Towards the end of his college years at Cal Berkeley, he would organize groups of 10 to 20 folks to go to A's games and hang out in the left-field bleachers. "Of course in those days you could bring beer and coolers to the game," he laments, "but it became as much about building community as watching the game." Upon graduation he found himself able to attend more games and started hanging out with a group of right-center field bleacher bums. "Our common bond was the game, but the common thread was all the people you came to know," he remembers. For a couple of years he estimates that he attended upwards of 40 games per season.
I remember that during my Junior and Senior years in high school, the Coliseum provided a similar forum. Dollar Wednesdays in particular, provided a way for me and my friends to go out and be safe in Oakland while watching a game and a team that we loved. Some, like my friend Anna and I, were more invested in the game than others, but again, it was also about the community we were able to create.
I especially remember going to the last 3 games of the A's amazing 20 game win-streak in 2003. All three were bottom of the ninth nail-biters that were witnessed by over-capacity Coliseum crowds. The first, which Miguel Tejada won with a walk off single up the middle, I attended with my friends. The second, a walk-off home run by Miggy, I went with my Grandpa, aunts, uncles and cousins.
The A's mob Scott Hatteberg after his walk off wins their 20th consecutive game
On the evening of the A's 20th consecutive win I was with my family and friends as the A's again won in unbelievably dramatic fashion. Despite jumping out to an early 11-1 lead, they entered the bottom of the 9th tied 11-all. Then under-appreciated Jason Giambi replacement Scott Hatteberg stepped in to pinch-hit. Expectations were low as he stepped into a 1-0 pitch and sent a game winning walk-off moon shot to deep center field. His heroic home run sent such joyous reverberations through the 53,000 plus in attendance that my mom actually wet herself as we all leapt is disbelief. These moments of wonder and disbelief surrounded by friends, family and fellow fans are what the Oakland A's mean to me.
The excerpt below is an homage of sorts from my friend Bobby Gordon. It was Bobby who once told me that his life goal was to be one of the old guys at every A's game with all the pins in their hats. I want to be there with him listening to the ghost of Bill King in our walk men and the Voice of God (Roy Steele) on the PA. . . In Oakland.
When the A’s announced their plans to leave Oakland, it hurt. How could it not? I grew up at the Coliseum. From watching Eck and the Bash brothers as a little kid to cheering on the Big Three as a teenager, the Coliseum has been my home.I couldn't have said it any better. In fact, as college roommates, the picture of Ramon Hernandez's walk off suicide squeeze was the picture me and Bobby used to signal that we had a girl in the room. And while that was always great, it never really equaled the electrifying ecstasy of the moment emblazoned on our door.
The banjo man, the red rope guy, running around the bases after the game, going to A’s games on some of my first dates with poor girls bored out of their minds, being on my back on the dirty cement steps of the aisles celebrating Ramon Hernandez’s playoff game winning bunt, shouting at Giambi to slide- these memories are burned into my brain. They are a part of my autobiography.
We all have these stories. And they are a part of our culture. They are valuable.
They are worth saving.
I mention all this to remind Oaklanders that the A's have brought us together in good times and bad. Whether we are hugging strangers after late-inning heroics, jamming to Kool & the Gang's "Celebrate" after an amazing victory, heckling Yankee fans who open their traps or tailgating with our friends and families on sunny afternoons, the Coliseum has always brought people together. Oakland and the A's are inextricably linked for me, and both have been a pillars in my life.
I know that none of this erases Oakland's budget shortfall, Lew Wolff's disinterest in staying, or the less than desirable confines of the post Mount Davis Coliseum, but it hopefully reminds you why we need to keep the A's in Oakland. I know that our options are limited but we can fight this. Remember that Charlie O tried to move the A's to three different cities and Wolff just tried to sell us south, but none of these prospects have yet seperated the A's and Oakland. San José, Portland, Las Vegas and Sacramento can't be allowed to be anything more than those same hollow hypotheticals.
Left Field bleacher bums invade Seattle while pondering the A's future
We can't give up on the A's because of Lew Wolff. Who the hell is Lew Wolff in the broad scheme of things? The people of Oakand and the East Bay own the A's way more than his big bucks ever will. In my opinion, it is time that we reclaim the A's. We may not have stock in them, but there are some things we can do to remind Wolff and other nay-sayers that Oakland is where the A's belong.
There is a great conversation over at A Better Oakland about what we should do, but here is my wish list.
- Pressure the A's to lower ticket prices or reopen the 3rd deck. Low ticket prices allow families and high school friends to go to the ball park. Lower ticket prices mean greater attendance, and more profit in the long run. This probably won't happen though seeing how Wolff isn't exactly trying to help anyone in Oakland. But we need to go to the games anyway.
- GO TO A's GAMES! And when you go, via BART, take your friends with you. Enjoy the A's young talent, remember all the great times you've had there, and make new memories with old friends and new acquaintances. Don't leave our A's to the corporate vultures.
- Encourage local folks like Steve Lowe and Frank Dobson to keep coming up with plans to keep the A's in Oakland. We need visionaries to come up with the architectural and economic solutions that our slow-witted City Council and do-nothing Mayor cannot.
- Pressure Wolff, the City Council and the Mayor to pursue these plans. Make it clear that there are solutions, and we will make them look into and adopt a plan that keeps the A's in Oakland.
- Reach out to the players to get them to live in and invest in Oakland.
If we turn our backs on the A's we are only proving what Wolff is already trying to convince folks, that Oakland can't support the A's. But we must. I want new ownership, but I'll make that prick money if it means I get to retain a piece of my childhood, my parent's childhood and my prospective children's lives.
Baseball is America's favorite past time. Baseball is America's sport. But the A's are Oakland's. I'm hoping the return of Jason Giambi and the new blood in the clubhouse will return us to the early years of the this century and a revival of sorts for the A's. But that can only happpen if we as a city, as families and friends cherish them the way we are capable of. We must again water the seeds of a baseball community in the parking lots and bleachers of the Oakland Coliseum. Please help keep A's baseball in Oakland!
Please leave your favorite A's memories, potential solutions or thoughts in the comment section.
Thanks
Baseball is America's favorite past time. Baseball is America's sport. But the A's are Oakland's. I'm hoping the return of Jason Giambi and the new blood in the clubhouse will return us to the early years of the this century and a revival of sorts for the A's. But that can only happpen if we as a city, as families and friends cherish them the way we are capable of. We must again water the seeds of a baseball community in the parking lots and bleachers of the Oakland Coliseum. Please help keep A's baseball in Oakland!
Please leave your favorite A's memories, potential solutions or thoughts in the comment section.
Thanks
41 comments:
We as an Oakland A's fan need to get together and set up a huge protest/gathering infront of the
City hall, and demand that the mayor, and the city councils take measures in order to retain
the Oakland A's.
did you know that i am very good friends with the banjo man's son? now you do. miss you, kthxbye.
I love all the history! You're so well versed and seem to have the lineage of Oakland enthusiasts to back up your info. As far as the solution... who knows? Really as much as it sucks, it's not really up to us as the citizens because today's baseball boils down to just a business (eg: roided up Giambi on the cover of that SI). It's nice to have a glimmer of hope though! Clearly one of the more passionate articles you've written due to the amount of type-os! lol
Luke for mayor!
So many memories... and so many more to come. I believe this season will give us so many more especially with the addition of Orlando Cabrera.
One of my favorite moments was when the A's got back to the playoffs for the first time in 2000. It had been so many years and when they finally got back it was bittersweet. The 20 games in a row was also very memorable. There are so many great memories and i feel as if we can have so many more. In a new stadium or the existing one. as long as their in Oakland i do not care.
Glad to see a more optimistic point of view on this situation. I am a lifelong Red Sox fan, but grew up with Rickey as my favorite player and have consistently enjoyed the rivalry when its on. More importantly, I am a baseball fan who understands how much the sport can define a city. Lew Wolff may own the A's but he does not own the history and passion that the fans possess. Contrary to what the 4th commmenter above said, baseball does belong to fans, despite all the terrible stuff that owners, players, the MLB perpetrate. If folks want the A's to stay they've got to make their voice heard. That's just the very first step, so thanks for leading in the right direction, Luke. Looking forward to A's-Sox next month. No sweep this time...
dbackman
Yeah, we shall see! The A's usually dont hit their stride till after the break tho, cuz they need half a season to meet each other. Perils of having a new team every year. We'll be competitive though! Thanks for you comment!
And Liam,
Im thinking no, but then again if Dellums can manage to do nothing, I'm pretty sure I can handle that too
Don't get me wrong, this is a much improved A's squad this year. Last year's was as bad and A's lineup as I can remember, and they still did OK. I would love to see them give the Angels a run for their money this year. Cabrera is a great pick up too. He's got a lot of heart and was a key piece of the 04 Sox.
Luke, Thanks for sharing that. I share many of the same memories which you brought up. I grew up with the A'S and Raiders also, and I can't bare to think of Oakland without either of those two amazing franchises. Oakland has been blessed. I remember the late great sports commentator Kirk Goudy calling the Oakland Coliseum "the House of thrills." Thanks again.
Yeah, the offense will be noticeably better, I just hope this new batch of pitchers can live up to our legacy of great young pitching. I swear, in terms of pitching we are like the all-star team's farm system.
So what will they do if they land Nomar? It would be funny seeing those two on the same team.
I don't see how they would sign Nomar after signing Cabrera. One of them would be an expensive back-up, and Crosby already is. I'm sure they'll trade him, but the thought of 3 pricey short stops, in Oakland no less, is pretty funny.
Being that Nomar is considering retirement or signing with the A's he would not be that expensive. And it does not seem as if Crosby will be traded because of the fact that he is not that good and it would be alot of money. Nomar would be playing 3rd and 1st anyways. I would enjoy to see him in the green and gold.
All I think about if the A's moved is what would Bill King be saying right now? lol
There are two different ways I look at the A's future in Oakland, one as a nostalgic Berkeley 80s baby who grew up with season tickets, another as a guy who majors in economics and is still very much coming to terms with what it means to be a full grown adult. I'll start with the former.
When I was a baby, around 1 I think, my ultra responsible parents were letting me crawl around the area where our seats were on the 3rd baseline. Suddenly, a foul ball was hit towards our seats and everyone stood up. The story goes that my mom was screaming at the guy who caught the ball for stepping on me when my dad and their friend pointed out that the ball would have otherwise hit me (and if it was on the head it would have killed me) and the guy had probably just saved my life. He gave the ball to my parents and I still have it at home to this day.
I grew up at the coliseum. Some of my earliest and most fond memories are there. I remember being confused at age 4 because when I was told that a homerun was when the ball was hit over the fence, I assumed my dad was referring to the fence above that grassy hill below the scoreboard, where the eucalyptus trees were. Oh for the days before Mt. Davis. I remember my favorite song in preschool was Ray Charles' Hit The Road Jack--anyone who went to A's games in the early 90s should not have to ask why. Not to suggest that my view isn't incredibly biased, but I would argue that these were the greatest days in the history of the Oakland A's. We had the Bash Brothers. We had Rickey. We had one of the meanest looking pitchers of all time in Dave Stewart. We had the best closer in history in Eck. But more important than any of our all stars was Walter Haas. I completely agree with Luke; this was the only period in which we had an owner who respected our community, and it showed.
Even though we again had a complete douche bag for an owner--not just for a lack of strong ties to the East Bay like the Haas family, but because like the days before Haas, our future in Oakland was anything but secure--I am also quite nostalgic for the beginning of this decade. My family had long since given up on our season tickets, but I probably went to 15-20 games a year during this time (not bad for a kid going to boarding school on the east coast). Summers and the A's went together for me like peanut butter and jelly. The Big 3. Miggy. Having Eric Chavez healthy for more than 50 games a season. The 20 game win streak (I was at 19 and 20--btw Luke, it was game 18 where Tejada had the walk off homer and game 19 when he had the walk off single). Originally loving Giambi for the outlaw image he cast, then showing up hours early for the first A's-Yankees game I was home for so that I could talk shit to Ja$on the hypocritical traitor all throughout batting practice--and now agreeing with Beane that it does feel like marrying your ex-wife. I will never forget staying up past 3 am (EST) watching game 1 of the 2003 ALDS with Boston with my Red Sox fans friends (still at boarding school at the time) and how amazing it felt to laugh in all their shit talking faces when we won the game in the most anti-Beane fashion possible--I'm fairly confident that not a single person in the world saw that coming except Ramon Hernandez. I will also never forget T-Long watching strike 3 to end that series and then going to my room and crying. 4 years in a row we had to lose game 5 of the ALDS? And it was to the Red Sox after we were up 2-0 and I was going to school in Massachusetts with a bunch of shit talking Red Sox fans? There's only so much a guy can take (I also had plenty of Yankees fans for friends who never stopped reminding me of "Jeter's play" to which I always responded with how that play was made by Jeremy's failure to slide).
I could go on forever reminiscing about the A's, but I also want to get to the perspective I have as an econ major. 20 years from now, the A's will not be playing in the coliseum. It's very sad, but I would argue vehemently that it is indisputable. I would love for Mt. Davis to have never been built (or for the Raiders to have stayed in LA, but I'm not going to make any friends on this blog talking about that). If it hadn't, maybe I would be less convinced that the A's future lies outside the friendly confines of the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Complex (or whichever corporate sponsor has bought the naming rights this year). But there is an overwhelming trend in professional sports for stadiums to be based around restaurants and bars, in which attendance is boosted by the surrounding atmosphere and the surrounding atmosphere is partly driven by the stadium's proximity. I don't mean to offend anybody by saying this, but 66th Ave. & San Leandro St. is not going to become the new spot to open up restaurants and bars. Is it sad that sports teams these days have to depend on yuppies for their financial survival? It is fucking tragic. But that doesn't mean it's not true. I'm sure someone can come up with a counter example or two, but to that person I have this to say: San Francisco, Denver, Cleveland, Seattle, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Detroit, San Diego... I could go on. A good team with good community relations can play anywhere (within that community) and people will come out to watch them play. But long term, a team is always going to have its rebuilding seasons, and owners want some kind of insurance that they won't lose money during these years. Restaurants and bars within close vicinity provide that insurance. So do companies that buy season tickets in boxes and prime seats so they can woo out of town business partners with their city's new bourgeois stadium. You can point to the box office successes of the country's two oldest stadiums, Wrigley and Fenway, but those are two shining examples of my earlier point about how sports franchises rely on their close proximity to popular restaurants and bars to keep up attendance (and I deliberately called them franchises. That's how they're seen by their owners and investors, not as teams but as franchises--it sucks for the millions of us who see them as teams, but that's the nature of capitalism). Also, the Cubs and Red Sox have been playing in Chicago and Boston for over twice as long as the A's have been in Oakland. I don't like saying this, but they both have much stronger roots to their respective communities.
So being that the A's need a new, baseball-only stadium for their long term economic survival (20 years ago there were perhaps a dozen cities that shared 1 stadium for baseball and football, today I believe Miami is the only other one), and being that the city of Oakland could certainly use some more businesses to bring in more tax revenue and provide jobs, I am praying that something similar to the plan that Jerry Brown helped kill (Ignacio De La Fuente can also lick my balls) for a downtown stadium can be pulled off. If it cannot, if Lew Wolff continues to be the fuckhead we all know him as, and the Oakland City Council continues to be as useless as we all know them to be (not to mention Dellums), then we will be lucky to see them as close as San Jose 20 years from now (though I think I would honestly rather see them move out of norcal than to the South Bay, no disrespect to any South Bayers).
Damn Ben, that must have taken hella long to write. Thank you very much for your thoughts and input bruh. I know the economics of it seem improbable, but I just cant swallow such a loss.
Peep these links for more info.
On the prospect of keepin ghte A's here:
http://www.abetteroakland.com/keeping-the-as-in-oakland/2009-02-27
On a Coliseum complex development:
http://www.abetteroakland.com/now-about-that-coliseum/2009-03-02
Thanks again for showing love for the A's and droppin by my blog. Much love fam
Restaurants and bars tend to organize themselves around baseball stadiums, not the other way around. People need some place to drink, before and after the game.
This may the fundamental difference between baseball and football, in terms of fan base and behavior. Football stadiums are suburban in nature. They need tens of thousands of parking spaces to accommodate the regional car culture they attract. Hence tailgating.
The baseball stadium is a quintessentially urban phenomenon, best typified by Fenway and Wrigly in the old school, Camden and PacBell in the new. This sort of stadium near the center of Oakland could do a lot of good for this city, in terms of creating a more walkable vibrant prosperous street life.
But a new baseball only park at the Coli could work too, as the recent discussion at ABO has illustrated. However, it will perpetuate the suburban planning strategies that the original Coliseum development initiated. It will be a stadium surrounded by big box style retail and entertainment. It could be enormously successful and provide a lot of jobs for East Oakland, but it wouldn't necessarily be the best "baseball" experience.
Ben- good post, but I think you overstate how much the success of the stadium/franchise is dependent on the importance of the surrounding bar/food scene, and I actually disagree with your main point about the current ballpark location.
People do not go to games because they are eating nearby, they eat nearby because they are going to games. Urban economic redevelopment is associated with new stadiums, but usually because of the city's interests, which is actually why the fremont situation was interestin.
First municipal economic necessity: Stadiums are built with a mix of public and private financing. On one extreme you have the Giants fully privately financing, and on the other hand you have a situation like Carl Pohlad trying to hold Minnesota hostage to get taxpayers to buy him a shiny new stadium. More commonly, you see a situation like in NY, where the city grants tons of tax breaks and low interest loans to entice the team to build, even in this current time of municipal deficits and extreme hardship. It is doubly ridiculous to give public incentives in NY, where though there is some measure of civic pride and tourism and whatnot associated with having teams, neither the Mets or Yankees are ever leaving the city. Given that in recent history every team except SF has relied on significant help from the city, the city had an incentive to encourage development of a stadium which ipso facto leads to increased foot traffic and dollars in the area. By placing stadiums in blighted areas, you get all the positive effects we all know about, including increased tax revenue and economic growth.
The A's plan was interesting because it involved private financing, and as we all know, Wolff and Co wanted to be able to build the ballpark village also and take advantage of all the positive externalities associated with a new stadium and direct that development money to their own pockets. However, in attempting to do this outside a major city center and away from easy public transportation, they were effectively trying to build their own mini city.
Anyway, since this is rambling.... I agree that there is no way the A's will be playing in their current park in 20 years, but that does not mean that is a bad location. The main problem we have is a team that isn't willing to privately finance unless they get the associated economic benefits. Necessarily, this can not happen in a city center. The city should have very little interest in helping the team construct a stadium, unless it is in an area that will lead to increased city revenues and development.
Stalemate.
I may write more later :)
oh and since I edited my intro but forgot to actually support it. . .the current site could be a great redevelopment site if the light industry around there could be coerced to leave somehow.
On the water, public transportation, parking, freeway, close to new housing, a blighted low income area that could stand to be developed.
The bigger problem is that the team would only go for it if they could benefit from the development, and the costs of relocating the light industry and rezoning everything and enticing the team to build there by subsidizing stadium construction would be ENORMOUS, and oakland is not rich.
I've been reading more about the original ballpark village plan. Even though I would still contend that a serious effort to transform downtown Oakland into what it once was (60 years ago it was thriving) with a baseball only stadium thrown in the mix, since there is no longer a reasonable spot in downtown where they could put a new stadium (thanks Jerry Brown), I agree that something along the lines of Wolff's original ballpark village between High St. & 66th Ave. next to 880 is the best option available.
It seems all in all to be quite doable, other than the fact that you're right that it would cost a fortune. To that issue though, I would argue that while it would be really expensive, and right now access to credit is worse than at any point since the depression, its initial construction would provide thousands of jobs, as would the businesses that are built. It's very much what the economy and Oakland need right now--other than the red ink--but if it is done well then it would eventually pay for itself and then some (though that is anything but short term). I don't know if it's politically possible; Wolff has been widely criticized for having a half hearted approach back when he first proposed the ballpark village (something I don't have too much trouble believing), and it is not wise to put faith in the city government of Oakland to do anything except perhaps to be useless or counter-productive.
All that said, if it miraculously is implemented, here would be some of my top concerns:
If it is indeed vital for a new Bart station between Fruitvale and the Coliseum--and I think it probably is--how easily can that be done? Bart has been exploring all sorts of plans for expanding its routes south, both on the peninsula and in the East Bay, but I don't think I've heard of Bart adding any stations in between those that already exist. I honestly have no idea how possible it is.
East Oakland could definitely use more economic activity, but I would hate for the development plan to be entirely exclusive of its neighboring communities. There is a real potential to stimulate business in the area, but there is also the possibility of it becoming very much a "other side of the train tracks" type of situation. Development of economically stagnant areas is good; gentrification is bad. I suppose the risk of gentrification is minimal because it would be displacing light industry, not low income housing, but I worry that if upscale residential units become a part of the plan, that might in turn raise rent prices in the immediately surrounding area, enticing real estate developers to build apartments and office buildings that will displace local residents. This is basically what happened in the SoMa district and the Mission during the dot com boom (though now a lot of it is being abandoned and hurting those areas tremendously).
However, I think this plan might have more immunity to gentrification than most development in low income areas because, like I said, it would be displacing light industry and not people--at least not in the short term. While I think it is more or less inevitable that it would be very distinct and segregated from its surrounding communities, it would still provide thousands of jobs. If it manages to do that without displacing local residents, then it would be one of the very few examples of urban development in low income areas bringing benefits to local residents in modern history.
Speaking of recent history, how much would it fuck shit up if this plan manages to be approved, is in its final stages of construction, and then Al still-not-yet-dead Davis decides he's moving the Raiders to Mexico City? (What? He's not insane enough?) Now you have a stadium without a regular tenant, and so much extra parking space people in the city might nut themselves just thinking about it. I suppose it wouldn't be too hard to expand the ballpark village into the area currently occupied by the north parking lot and the stadium--the south lot should be plenty for the 20k capacity arena--but I know that I wouldn't feel too comfortable about the stability of the immediate area I was in if I had Old Man Davis next door. He might get jealous of the A's for getting to build a brand new stadium (something he would have loved but has never got in his decades as an owner--his failed attempt to do so in LA drove him back to Oakland), try to lobby for one of his own to replace the current coliseum, likely fail in that endeavor, and at that point he would be willing to move to Montana if the NFL would let him. Worrying about this right now is a little bit like worrying about the possibility of inflation for whenever the economy finally recovers--it is a long way away from becoming a possible threat. But it is something to consider.
All in all, realistically, when considering that this plan requires Lew Wolff to put faith in the city of Oakland, and for city council and Dellums to actually do something, I'd say its prospects are not great. But I agree that it is the best thing possible at this point, since every other plan for a new stadium in Oakland has either massive public transit issues and/or will be fervently objected to by its neighbors who want nothing to do with the millions of people it will bring in every year. Hopefully this can be pulled off so the A's can have a permanent home in Oakland.
I don't think an infill station would be necessary to develop Coliseum North, but it probably would be doable. An infill station on that stretch of elevated track should be a relatively easy, because the track is already straight and level. New platforms and enclosure could be "clamped" around the existing tracks, and a concourse could be added at ground level, with very minimal disruption to traffic. The architecture firm I work for, VBN Architects, is doing a design of a similar nature for the new West Dublin/Pleasanton BART Station. That station is at ground level, with the concourse floating above, but otherwise provides a good model.
Other infill stations have been proposed, West of Jack London Square, and East of Lake of Merritt, but both of these would occur at the transitions for subway to elevated, and therefore would require extensive changes to the tracks in order to provide a level platform area. This means lots of disruptions to service and a lot more difficulty of construction.
But again, Coliseum North is not far from the existing station at all. It would be better served by an increase in local transit services like AC Transit or dedicated shuttles, or could be integrated into the Airport Connector scheme if that ever takes off.
So you know I don't follow sports...but this post made me realize that I might actually be sad if we didn't have the A's.
In elementary I thought they were the Aides.
I also used to eat ice cream out of lil bowls that were shaped like A's hats. I never wanted to eat out of the Giants one...
I shall take ur change of heart as a compliment. And man I do miss those little A's helmet bowls. I had the life size plastic A's helmets too for the wiffle ball games in the backyard. Prolly my favorite childhood helmet- though the Festival at the Lake Fire hats are a close second.
A depressing article about Wolff's views on Oakland: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/16/BA3316GOT7.DTL
A much more uplifting article about why Wolff may yet find Oakland to be his only realistic option: http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/localnews/ci_11972455
Obviously, if Wolff could do whatever he wanted, the A's would have already left Oakland. He is going to fight fervently to try to move to San Jose. But I think San Jose will offer up more resistance than people think, and a better reason for optimism is that the Giants will fight against San Jose with an equal level of passion as Wolff. Even though Wolff was Selig's frat brother, it is unlikely that Selig will piss off the Giants by starting a war with them over influencing the owners, a minimum 75% of whom would have to approve of removing Santa Clara County from the Giants' territorial rights in order for a San Jose move to even be possible. I would have never thought that anything good was possible from the Giants having superior sway with MLB than the A's, but if we're still in Oakland in 20 years, it will have been a large contributing factor.
terrific post
Great blog...you need to keep it going. The A's ballpark blog is being taken over by San Jose partisans. I tried to post this video today but Marine Layer wouldn't post it. I guess he really is against Oakland??
Anyway it's an amazing vision by retail developer Bob Leste. If you have about 25 min, take a look at what could be an awesome "sports venue" at the current coliseum site.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR5DRN4ASlA
I just came across this petition that someone created but hasn't done a very good job at getting it out there...
Please take the time to sign it.
Lets go OAKLAND!!!
http://www.petitiononline.com/AsOak08/petition.html
It looks like The Tribune posted an online vote at the bottom of the page to see if Oakland should build a new ballpark for the A's...vote YES!!!
http://www.insidebayarea.com/
Love all the memorabilia and Oakland history. And of course, gotta love your fam.
Who knows how all this economic downturn is going to turn out. There might be an opportunity somewhere. I think the ideal location for a ballpark is near the waterfront somewhere. There is a lot of industry on the opposite side of 880 from the current park that, who knows, might be willing to change locations. The old Home Club (long since demolished) might provide a space to house displaced companies.
I would love for the residents of Oakland or the East Bay to own the team, a la the Green Bay Packers. Instead of a personal seat license, folks could buy stock in the company, which included certain rights to seats, parking, etc. Instead of renting the concessions, maybe you could sell those, too; get E&Js and other folks to buy a restaurant there. Maybe get Babe Ruth baseball involved, have the stadium be the permanent location of the Babe Ruth little league hall of fame or their annual championships. Get all sorts of collaborators involved, so it is a truly community-owned spot, and so it used for all sorts of things, not just baseball.
I don't think a dedicated BART line is necessary, so long as there is a good shuttle system.
Anyway, keep the faith! Hopefully Oaktown continues to produce baseball legends...
I came across that petition that someone mentioned, I signed it. As he mentioned also it hasnt been getting out to the public much, Im thinking about making a youtube video to promote it I dont know.
Yeah do it!!! We need to save the A's from leaving home!!
Yeah Im starting to work on it, it's more of a slideshow type thing but it'l be good. Any song suggestions to play in the background of it?
Great idea. Maybe you can use "Bitter Sweet Symphony" by the Verve. Sort of a tribute to the late Bill King when the Coliseum showed a slideshow last year to remember Bill throughout his years with us using that track. Every time I hear that song now I think of A's games and Bill King.
Another track that I like but can't figure out where they got it or if it's original music? But the song used during the A's televised commercial from last year was really nice. The one that shows pretty much the whole Oakland era from the beginning to present.
And finally you could just be gangsta and play some dope OAKLAND songs by Toni Tony Tone, Too Short or of course The Tower of Power.
Thanks for the suggestions.
This should be a motto for supporters. "If the A's leave Oakland, fans will leave the A's" I know damn well Im not rooting for any form of the A's that doesn't have Oakland in front of the name...
First off, let me express my sincere frustration that Kyu is quite correct about the A's ballpark blog being taken over by people discussing the logistics of a San Jose stadium--I'd say that I don't give a shit, but it would be more accurate and honest to say that I hope they can't come up with anything that will be acceptable to San Josers. At the very least, may the Giants continue to call Santa Clara County their territory forever and ever.
To Michael, I'd love it if the A's became owned by the East Bay just like the Packers are owned by the Green Bay community. I'd also love it if public schools were as over funded as the military, universal health care were implemented tomorrow and anyone who has ever overpaid for health care (everyone with health care) would be compensated for their past expenses by liquidating all assets accumulated from insurance profits (after taking their houses and yachts and making their companies worthless, let's make former health insurance executives the only Americans not covered by a new universal coverage program), Dick Cheney was tried for war crimes in International Court along with Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, and the A's won the next 10 consecutive World Series while they were built the most beautiful stadium in history somewhere in Oakland or Berkeley--Emeryville would also be acceptable as long as their name was kept out. While we're at it, let's completely legalize weed and get rid of CA's 2 AM law--or at least require BART to run past 2 AM so going out to the city didn't require a DD or a 3 digit cab ride. These are all far fetched dreams, but no more so than what you suggest. Besides not being able to arrange it with the East Bay community, new ownerships have to be approved by the rest of the league, and that will never happen. Green Bay is a freak occurrence that is resented by all other NFL owners, and nothing of the sort will ever repeat itself in any American sports league, that I can promise...
I signed the petition that's posted above. Even if not much comes of it (and I'm not holding my breath), it's a nice idea, and I fully support everyone doing as much as you can to promote keeping our team here in whatever ways you can think of (but to quote the Fonz as the coach in The Waterboy, "I am not telling you to go on a shooting rampage"). So by all means, make youtube videos, spread word of petitions, write letters to Dellums and your city council representative if you're an Oakland resident, write letters to Wolff and the Fishers, and especially go to as many games this season at the Coliseum as possible. It's a tragic anomaly; ownership talks about taking our team away, and then they use the decreasing attendance that results from such patronizing treatment as evidence for why they don't want to stay. We have an exciting team this year with the potential to shock the world in the fall. There is no better way to fight Lew Wolff than to support these OAKLAND A's as much as you can.
Going back to what a new stadium in Oakland could look like, I watched the video that Kyu gave the link for, and I think there's serious potential for Bob Leste's plan. In my limited familiarity with his posts, I think Zennie has good judgement and I like his take on things, so the fact that he supports it is definitely a plus. Bob Leste mentioned being involved with the Water Tower building in Chicago; not that it has anything to do with baseball, stadium development, or Oakland, but that is a beautiful and expertly designed building. My late grandmother was one of their first residents after it was built in the 70s, and she lived there for 25 years give or take. It is an exceptional building, and if Bob Leste was involved with that, then that definitely starts him off at a good spot in my book.
While I would be happy with damn near anything that guarantees the A's staying in the Oakland/Berkeley area, I think this plan actually does seem like a good idea, and that it is the most realistic hope we have. It certainly seems more likely to happen than displacing all the existing industry between San Leandro St. & 880 from 66th Ave. all the way up to High St. so that Wolff can build a village. Now that I've made that clear, my two beefs:
#1 While the most important thing is to secure the A's a future in the East Bay (and by that I mean the Oakland/Berkeley area, not Fremont or Pleasanton or Martinez or Concord or anywhere else suburban/exurban like that), for me personally, I would prefer if it did not involve a garage structure. I suppose I probably have to give up the dream that I can tailgate at an Oakland A's game in 20 years and just hope that I can attend such a game, but garage structures suck. Getting out at the end of a game would make the fiasco you currently experience driving out of the Coliseum parking lot seem like an efficient process. Additionally, I love tailgating. Other than affordable tickets, it is the main reason why I have friends who consider themselves Giants fans but go to at least twice as many A's games every year. Thinking about it, if Jerry Brown didn't kill a plan that could have brought actual night life and significant tax revenue to Downtown Oakland, the A's would already be playing in a stadium without a place for fans to tailgate beforehand, and that would be far better than worrying about a move to San Jose. I'm not an urban planner, and I don't have any worthwhile suggestions about how a 1 level parking area could benefit any new stadium developments beyond giving college kids a reason to split a $15 parking fee instead of parking for free at the BART station. Still, I do love going to the stadium early to bbq. Also, not that this matters much to us East Bay 80s babies who are 9ers fans, but I'm sure there are plenty of Raiders fans who feel at least as strongly about tailgating as I do. So IF there is a way to incorporate this into a new stadium plan, that would be icing on the cake, or maybe sprinkles on the icing, depending upon how much you care about tailgating.
#2 I mentioned it in an earlier post, but I think it is far more relevant to this plan: in a word, gentrification. By including housing into the plans, and by extending the development out towards the residential areas rather than north, which is all industry, it guarantees that rent prices in the area will go up. It will add thousands of jobs and provide a tremendous boost to Oakland's lagging tax revenue base, but for the people who live in the Coliseum's immediate vicinity, their neighborhood's crime rate would drop at the expense of their being able to afford living there. I'm all for fixing up neighborhoods, especially in East Oakland, but I believe it should be done in a way that gives people a better place to live, not a place where they can't afford to live so that they end up moving to some other low income area that is as neglected as where they used to live. The balance between improving a community and merely displacing its people by making it no longer affordable to those already there is a difficult one to navigate. On the one hand, new businesses are crucial to providing jobs and tax revenue needed to improve local schools, parks, and other community essentials. Even new housing can have a role to play, since a lot of the apartments and houses in low income areas have poor plumbing and insulation and often are structurally unsound; many are not up to date with meaningful safety codes and could cost lives in a fire or earthquake. Yet if the people who are currently living there move to some other neighborhood where rent prices aren't rising, then their situation hasn't much improved. There will still be positive externalities for Oakland and the greater East Bay, but they will be mostly felt by the neighborhood's new residents and the consumers who come visit the area. The economic benefits to the people who used to live there will be minimal until you take into account the financial and emotional costs of moving, at which point the benefits may be outweighed by the hardships for the people whose community was the original target for improvement. There are no easy answers, and you can call it white guilt if you want, but I would feel less proud to be an A's fan and to have kept the A's in Oakland if the community around a new stadium was in no way involved or considered with the development plans.
Great post Ben, I don't think I could have said it better myself...go A's!!!
Help keep the A's in Oakland...
http://www.letsgooakland.com/
Build near Pleasanton. Oakland stinks.
Thanks for your enlightening contribution to the discussion Einstein. Look, if you even think Peasanton rivals Oakland in anything except shittyness then you're clearly an idiot. Now go run back to your bougie little track-housing shantytown and think up more great opinions on shit that NO ONE IS EVEN DISCUSSING.
not all that reassuring that anything will be done but...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/11/MNR81B2EFR.DTL
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